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Cloudy glasses from the dishwasher in Olympia and Lacey: film or etching

Hazy glasses can mean two opposite things: a mineral film that washes off, or etching that never will.

  • SYMPTOMEtching or mineral film
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Two kinds of cloudy, with opposite fixes

Built-in dishwasher with the lower rack out and the filter removed
Dishwasher leaving cloudy glasses

Mineral film is calcium and magnesium left behind as droplets dry: a chalky white haze that comes off after a soak in white vinegar. It follows hard water, an empty or broken rinse-aid dispenser, and wash water that never gets hot enough. Etching is damage. The surface of the glass is being eaten by alkaline detergent that has too little hardness and too little food soil to work on. It starts as a faint rainbow sheen, then turns into a milky cloud that no soak removes. Soft water, heavy doses of detergent, pre-rinsed dishes and hot drying all speed it along. The catch is that more detergent helps the first problem and worsens the second, so it pays to know which one you have.

The South Sound splits neatly on this. Olympia’s city water comes mostly from the McAllister Wellfield east of town and runs soft, and Tumwater’s Palermo, Bush and Port wellfields run soft to moderately soft. So on the Westside, out on Cooper Point or up on Tumwater Hill, etching is the usual story when someone fills both detergent cups or runs a heavy-duty pod on every load. Lacey draws from about 20 wells across three aquifers; depending on the well, the water ranges from soft to moderately hard, and a few carry a little iron or manganese that can leave a tan or dark tint. Private wells in unincorporated Thurston County can do the same, and that sediment also clogs inlet screens.

Reading the haze on your glasses

What shows on the glassUsual reasonCan you check it?Our part of it
White film that clears after a vinegar soakHard-water minerals and too little rinse aidYes, refill rinse aid and raise its settingTest the dispenser and confirm wash water reaches temperature
Rainbow sheen or milky cloud that stays putEtching from soft water and too much detergentYes, cut the detergent dose and skip heated dryConfirm the machine is sound and walk through dosing for your water
Gritty specks along with the hazeClogged filter sending fine food soil back aroundYes, clean the filter in the tub floorCheck the spray arms and wash pump pressure
Tan or rust tint on glasses and the tubIron or manganese in the water supplyYes, note whether sinks and toilets stain tooClear the inlet screen and check the fill valve for sediment
Film showed up suddenly, dishes come out coldFailed heating element or thermostat, water not heatingRun the kitchen tap hot, nothing moreMeter the heating element and high-limit, then replace the failed part

Habits that clear up cloudy glasses

  • Soak one cloudy glass in white vinegar; if it clears, you’re fighting minerals, not etching.
  • On soft Olympia or Tumwater water, fill only the main detergent cup, and try less.
  • Keep the rinse-aid reservoir topped up, and lower its setting if glasses look streaky.
  • Run the kitchen tap until the water turns hot before you start a cycle.
  • Scrape plates instead of rinsing them; detergent needs some food soil to work on.
  • Rinse the filter every week or two so fine grit doesn’t get sprayed back onto glasses.

When cloudy glasses point to a part

If glasses stay cloudy after a vinegar test, a smaller detergent dose and a few cycles with a clean filter, have the machine checked. The same goes for dishes that come out cold, a rinse-aid level that never drops, or a wash that sounds weak. We measure water temperature in the tub, meter the heating element, and check the dispenser and spray arms. If the dishwasher is healthy and the trouble is soap meeting soft water, you hear that plainly and pay the $99, nothing further. A failed part gets one written price, and approving it absorbs the $99.

Cloudy glasses get a vinegar test, a thermometer and a meter before anyone names a cause. If a part is at fault, the $99 is folded into one written price; if it is only soap and soft water, $99 settles it. Request service →

Asked about this problem

Can etched glasses be fixed?

No. Etching changes the surface of the glass itself, so no soak, rinse or polish brings the clarity back. What you can do is keep it from spreading to the rest of the set: cut the detergent, use rinse aid, and skip heated dry. Hand-wash the good crystal. A vinegar soak is the quick way to tell etching from mineral film.

Why would soft water in Olympia make glasses cloudy?

Soft water carries very little calcium to tie up the detergent, so a full dose has nothing to work on but the glass. Over months that dulls the surface into a permanent cloud. Olympia’s city water is soft, so the usual answer is a smaller dose of detergent plus rinse aid, not more soap and a hotter cycle.

Our Lacey water leaves a white film. Is that the dishwasher?

More often the culprit is hard water plus a low rinse-aid setting, not a broken part. Parts of Lacey get moderately hard water, which leaves calcium spots as glasses dry. Keep the rinse aid full, run the tap hot first, and try a detergent made for harder water. If dishes are also coming out cold or wet, the heater or dispenser may have failed, and that is worth a visit.

Do you install water softeners or iron filters?

No. We repair the dishwasher itself, along with refrigerators, washers, dryers, ovens and built-in ice makers. On a private well with iron or manganese, we clean the inlet screen, check the fill valve and tell you what we saw, so a water-treatment company has something concrete to work from if you decide treatment makes sense.

Does rinse aid matter if the water is soft?

Yes, in a smaller dose. Rinse aid lowers surface tension so water sheets off instead of drying in beads, which helps glasses dry clear on any water. On soft water, set the dispenser low, because too much can leave a streaky film of its own. On harder Lacey wells or rural wells, a higher setting usually works better.

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